
This Week’s Episode:
My client arrives to rehearse her high-stakes keynote. She’s giving this speech in front of thousands upon thousands of people. Before she begins, I say to her, “Today, we’re going to start at the end. So go ahead and run through your closing paragraph now.”
That throws her off. She responds, “I’ve memorized my talk in a very specific order. Isn’t that going to mess me up?”
Then I ask her how many times she’s rehearsed her opening paragraph.
“I don’t know, maybe at least 75 times?”
And the closing of her talk?
“Oh. Maybe a handful--five?”
Aha! Speakers tend to focus on the opening. They go through it from the beginning, make a mistake before getting to the end, start over, make a mistake again, start over, and over. And over. And over.
Imagine an airline pilot focused only on getting the takeoff right but not the landing. How’s that going to go??
When I explain this to my client, she says, “Kymberlee, I never thought of it that way,” which segues nicely with my special guest on the Storytelling School Podcast today. Sun Yi runs an award-winning digital agency that focuses on helping personal brands tell their story… by challenging their thinking. In fact, his actual tagline is “I never thought of it that way.” In this episode, he and I explore a ton of storytelling nuances like:
What elevates a story (and how is a narrative different from a story)? How do you know you’re being as vulnerable enough in your storytelling (and what’s the difference between vulnerability and a sob story)? Where do people using stories for business purposes tend to screw up? And how can you use storytelling in your brand when there’s no conflict in your personal story?
What you will learn in this episode:
- How to correctly set up your story for an emotional payoff
- What mistakes entrepreneurs make when telling personal branding stories
- How to engage in “micro-storytelling” for social media audiences (and algorithms)
Who is Sun?
Sun Yi founded Night Owls, an award-winning digital branding agency based in New York City. For over 12 years, he’s used his passion for personal branding to help brands go from zero to over a billion dollars in revenue. His company has a well-earned reputation for its expert branding, marketing, and copywriting knowledge, as well as its high-quality website design and client service.
Sun built his firm with culture in mind. After starting and quitting so many times, he decided to put community first and create a collaborative environment where he and his employees felt passionate about putting love and care into their work. As a result, Night Owls has attracted household names like Spotify, Columbia University, and the American Red Cross as well as best-selling international speakers and authors like Mel Robbins, Gabby Bernstein, and Jay Shetty as part of their clientele.
Sun also loves teaching and creating educational content on Instagram for personal brands. In his spare time, he enjoys motorcycles, listening to audiobooks, watching Youtube videos, and doing yoga. You can learn more about him and Night Owls at his website.

Links & Resources
- Sun Yi and Night Owls
- @SunYiCo on Youtube
- @sun.yi and @nightowls on Instagram
- @sun.yi.nightowls and @nightowls on Facebook
- @sun_yi and @nightowls on Twitter
- @sunyi-nightowls and night-owl-interactive on LinkedIn
- @storytellingschool on Instagram
- @storytellingSchool on Facebook
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JULIAN REEVE
SPEAKER, AUTHOR, FORMER MUSIC DIRECTOR OF HAMILTON
JUNA KOLLMEIER
ASTROPHYSICIST, TED SPEAKER
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GREEN BERET, ENTREPRENEUR, STORYTELLER, TRAINER, COACH, AUTHOR